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I had the chance to chat with Johnny from DesignFactor. We discussed the challenges of marketing an agency. John shared how he struggles with clients who want flashy designs but need practical solutions. "Once we get into marketing, we have to be a completely different person," he said. The best clients? Founders with previous exits. They just say "that sounds reasonable" and the work gets done. He also told me a few stories. Like the time he was cancelled because he gave away a design file, inspired by Brett from DesignJoy. Great conversation! Thanks Johnny!